VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

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VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

Postby Oldbones » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:10 am

I thought I'd post this as a new thread instead of adding to the existing 'versus' thread.
Can I suggest that instead of adding comments or thoughts, members add those to the other thread and just use this one for adding any URL's for other demos of either guitar that they either find or upload themselves?

These then are all the Youtube demos and reviews for the VE2000GG-12 and VE8000PB-12 guitars that I have found to date. Sound quality varies, but none are poor and some are excellent. I hope these help anyone who, like me, is trying to decide which of the two instruments is best for them. I won't add any other comments about each upload - you can judge for yourselves. ((One last tip - it's interesting to grab the audio of each upload and listen to them using a player or a burned CD without watching the video. That way you really get to hear differences. The 'shuffle' option forces you to concentrate a bit more, as well.)

OK - that's my lot. Here are the links:

========== VINTAGE GORDON GILTRAP 12 STRING ==============

Gordon Giltrap's Signature 12 string guitar by Vintage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSeWxgD_ULE

Ives Horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stv9xJyo3ME

Gordon Giltrap plays 'Maddie Goes West' 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJzxQ8n5og

Why does it always rain on me [Travis cover]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO-UBsv8zTU

PHIL HARE - FERRY 'CROSS THE MERSEY/STEP INSIDE LOVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esx9fiGyXNc


========== VINTAGE PAUL BRETT 12 STRING ===================

Bat out of Hell - Paul Brett - 12 String Guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y35H8rFtbdc

12 string blues Danny Ward improvises on Vintage Paul Brett 12 string guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruasHMQZyhs

Nice One - Paul Brett 12er
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtS9Zp2MbU

The Official PAUL BRETT Signature 12 String by Vintage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1xx5fZu9s0

The Tempest - Composed & Performed by Paul Brett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peN3B_qh_mk
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Re: VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

Postby Oldbones » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:36 pm

Just found a few more uploads featuring the Vintage Paul Brett signature 12 string

Low Noodles - Paul Brett 12er (tuned down 2 whole tones C-C)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhjajtjtvR4

Fumblefinger Rag - Paul Brett 12er
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISzj8js9v50

For Emily (P. Simon) - Paul Brett 12er
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48NnQ0YVpg

=============== UPDATE =================

The uploader of those 3 examples has been very friendly and helpful when I posted a few queries.
He passed on this additional link which is for a video of him playing the Paul Brett 12 for several songs at the start of his set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJjbuq1HJJI
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Re: VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

Postby Oldbones » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:44 am

I've just found yet another demo and review of the Vintage Paul Brett signatur 12 string.
This is in the online magazine iguitar. You have to register to be able to access and read it, but that's free and there seem to be no further associated issues such as sales spam or what-have-you.

This is an especially detailed review with an equally excellent 'video' review and demo built into one of the pages. This is especially good because towards the end, the sound of the guitar is demo'd using both the Fishman system and as recorded 'straight' via a microphone.

http://licklibrary.ceros.com/iguitarmag ... 9/page/186

But the search for additional demos, reviews or examples of Gordon's Vintage signature 12 string is proving to be immensely difficult.
For such an excellent instrument, and as one of only two viable contenders in the area of affordable, well-built, small-scale 12 strings, it's difficult to see why this should be.

Are there no other members of this forum who have found or uploaded examples of the guitar in use?
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Re: VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

Postby blackgold1963 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:39 pm

Hello Old Bones :D :D
I will be using the GG 12 string during our acoustic duo show next Friday. Its a nice venue with meals etc and generally has a few
players watching - I will get some feed back and ask those I know to give it a strum and look over for thoughts.
Will be happy to pass this on after the event
best regards
Phil H

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Re: VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

Postby Oldbones » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:39 pm

Thanks Phil, that will help redress the balance.

I've trawled through just about every source I can think of for the moment to find a balance between accessible reviews and demos of the PB and GG 12ers, but it's the PB12 that seems to be the one that's featured most. I'm sure there must be loads of GG12 players out there ... maybe they're just very private people?

Looking forwards to any comments - especially any that refer to the GG12's acoustic sound versus its electro sound. The only real negative I've come across so far is folks saying it can be a bit fiddly to get a well-balanced sound when playing through an amp. Conversely, the PG12 rates well in that area but folks bemoan the fact that the preamp doesn't include a tuner such as found on the GG12.

Horses for courses.
Swings and roundabouts.
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Re: VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

Postby blackgold1963 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:04 pm

Hello all :D :D
as promised I have gathered some feed back on the GG12 over 2 gigs - last thurs and Friday. Comments as below.
Quality was the word used on several occasions regarding construction
Unplugged views were - easy to play / will suit 6 string players / string height good / lovely ringing sound / much better than 12 strings played in years gone by/ tuner handy / lots of volume.
Lots of questions re: what is it / body shape - look at the label was my general reply - lots of ahhs and nods !!
Plugged into Fishman amp at both gigs - views were good - full sound , different , picking sounded good and contrast with my 2 ovations used as well.
Hope this helps - views from the punters !
Best regards
Phil H

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Re: VE2000GG-12 vs VE8000PB-12 - Youtube demos and reviews

Postby Oldbones » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:30 pm

Thanks Phil. Very detailed and useful.
That should be really helpful for anyone who is in the position of trying to decide between these two excellent instruments.
As you may have gathered from my posts elsewhere - I've decided upon the VE8000PB-12 so after I've received it and given it a thorough testing, I'll upload a full review here and also a demo/review to Youtube.

Thanks again for taking the time and effort to add your gathered comments for Gordon's signature 12.
It isn't how fast you can play that counts - it's that you only play as fast as you need to play that is important.
Silence can be as eloquent as sound.


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